To: 999 (all members) From: 15A (Steven Flintham) Subject: Too much text in magazine? I'm starting to get a bit worried here!Is my voice going to be drowned in thecries of the program hungry masses? I'mprobably going to regret saying this,but I find the text is the mostinteresting part of the magazine. Theprograms are fine, I DO look at themand I use them, when there's somethingof interest, but (the way I see it)programs are available from the myriadof PD libraries - you don't get muchtext there, though. I feel that the current 8BS combinationis ideal - a nice amount of text(although I'd like a bit more) withsome programs and full documentation -plus the ability to contact theprogram's authors and comment on them(the programs, that is!). From: 20G WE WANT LESS TEXT states a member. Ithought the same once, but then, textcan help to explain all the little bitsand bobs that a programmer might beunable to do. I feel that the balanceis about right. After all 8-BIT is amagazine and not a straightforward PDdisk. Like any magazine do you read itall? By all means look all the waythrough it and pick out the bits thatturn you on (no not page three bits). We had about sixteen plus differentprograms in the last issue (as withtext, do we use all of them?) That is alot compared with a magazine+disc froma news stand and it would have cost alot more. My X goes in the "stay as itis" box. To: 999 (all members) From: 15A (Steven Flintham) Subject: Humorous text files/articles I would like to say that I thought the"Tonkin's first computer dictionary"last issue was superb. There must beloads of this sort of thing floatingaround in the PD - might I be so boldas to suggest that you send it to 8BS.And why not ask a few friends whoaren't as enlightened as you and don'town Acorn micros - text files are oneof the few universal(-ish) standards,and there are probably even more aroundin Amiga/ST/PC PD libraries. Betterstill, have any 8BS members triedwriting any themselves - you couldalways submit it anonymously! To : 999 (All members) From : 483 (D.G. Shimmin) Re : Help? Does anyone know whether AlanBlundell's BBC PD is still running? Ihave been sending all 8BS issues to himfor around six months with no reply. Ihave experienced delays up to threemonths before, but this seems a bitmuch...even if it is still running, cananyone supply me with a copy of arecent-ish BBC PD Catalogue & Samplerdisk (anything after July 1992)? To: 999 (all members) From: 15A (Steven Flintham) Subject: Programme vs program First of all, let me apologise. I knowEVERYONE hates people who get pickyover things like spelling - I do, eventhough I'm always doing it. And yes, Ido know that from now on there'll be aspelling error in everything I send to8BS. Anyway, let me clarify the position asI see it. I thought that program(American spelling) was used forcomputer software, and programme(British spelling) was used fortelevision. Normally, I hate Americanspelling, but in this case I don't,just to be inconsistent. Everyone inthe last issue of 8BS seems to bespelling it programme - is this 8BSpolicy or just other people's privateconventions? By the way, just to get really trivial,how do 8BS members feel about disc vsdisk. Personally, I always use theformer, but I know a lot of people usedisk. You could argue that disc shouldbe used for compact discs and disk forcomputer discs, but I don't like it. Iwrote a couple of utilities for BBC PDto handle this, if anyone is interested- they automatically change alloccurences of disk to disc (orvice-versa, just for completeness),when passed through the VDU drivers.Anyone fancy doing something to convertprogramme <-> program? - it would haveto be AI, though, since both areacceptable in certain circumstances! Editor: Personally I have always used"program" for computer programs, and Ithink this is more or less a standard,to the extent that "programme" lookswrong to me, and I always change it.Chris is more tolerant, hence thedifferent situation in Issues 23 and25. Disk is a bit more borderline(after all, the machine accepts both,and I'm sure COPYFILES spells it DISC).However, I prefer disk for computerdisks (presumably including CD-ROMs?)so all issues edited by me will usethis spelling from now on. To: 999 From: 19F (Theo Gray) Re: Printer ROM Would anyone like to buy the WatfordElectronics BEEB Printer ROM for sixpounds, in good condition with originalbox, manual, and function keystrips. Ifso, please ring me on (0525) 220136after 7:30pm weekdays. It needs a BBC Band OS 1.2, and is said to: i) Increase the apparent intelligenceof almost any printer ii) Give single key control of complexprinter functions iii) Provide printout of (user defined)characters from their OS definitions To : 999 (All Members) From : 1V5 Subject : Archimedes Anbody got any Archimedes software tosell + anybody like to swap info on thesubject of Archimedes. Secondly, doesanybody know of any good Archimedes PDlibraries; I would be grateful for anyhelp. Editor: Since we now seem to have a fewArchimedes owners among our members,anyone with any info please send it inand hopefully it will be of use toeveryone. From : 2J3 (C.J.Richardson) To : 999 (All) Re : For sale, Wanted BBC model B £90 80T DS drive £25 Software on disk: Revs + 4 tracks,Gold collection £3 eachOn tape for 50p each: Graphic adventure creator, Warehouse,Repton 2, Pole Position, SalamanderUtilities package, Vortex, Spacejailer, Nightshade, Eddie Kidd jumpchallenge, Hunchback, Bug Byte graphicspackage, Karls Kavern, The Hacker, Helldriver, Caveman adventure Pascal ROM + manuals £2 All these prices are buyer collects oradd P&P. WANTED Modem, cheap 2nd-hand printer, sidewaysRAM for Beeb. Contact me at: 17 Lambert Park Road Hedon Hull HU12 8HF Telephone 0482 896868 To : 999 From : 3SQ Re : FOR SALE I have an issue 7 BBC B for sale fittedwith WE Shadow Ram, WE Rom Board, WEADFS, Acorn ADFS and a ZIF socket. Iwould like £150 for it as it stands,but can separate if the situationdemands it. Also Available :- Hyperdriver (Dabs Press Printer Rom)£10Romit (Beebug Rom) £10PIAS 7 (Disc) £5Printwise (Beebug Disc) £5Quickcalc (Beebug Disc) £5Starter Pack (Beebug Disc) £3Members Pack (Beebug Disc) £2To : 204 Carl Wheat From : 6EE Mick Needham Re : Modem for sale I have an Acorn Prestel Adapter,complete with ROM, manual, disc and allcables, if you are still interestedgive me a ring on 0742 424474, ifanyone else is interested then give mea ring, but Carl has first refusal. To: 999 (all members) From: L1L (Jock Smylie) Re: Hardware/Software add-ons Does anyone own any of the following: - Watford Electronics Beeb Hand Scanner- Quest Tracer Ball - W.E. 32K Shadow RAM/Printer BufferCard Expansion Board - BBC Model B (8271 DFS v0.9E) with anADFS upgrade If so, would you be able to give ashort review/summary of the particularitem highlighting anyproblems/diffuclty that you have found.Could you also mention what you use itfor and if it has been good value formoney. This may be of benefit toseveral members such as myself who areconsidering the purchase of one or moreof these items. Editor: so far as I know, ADFS won'trun on a Beeb with an 8271 diskcontroller chip, the upgrade would haveto include a double-density controllerlike the 1770 (though I assume mostupgrades do). To : 999 (All members) From : 3QN (Lawrie Hallam) Re : FOR SALE BBC Model B with ZIF socket, View ROM,Watford 40/80 switchable single 5.25"disk drive, Epson LX400 Printer,centronic printer cable. ALL IN VERYGOOD CONDITION. User Manual. Advanced User Manual.Assembly Language Programming for theBBC Micro. Lords of Time, Aviator, Elite discs,various cassettes. Buyer Collects please £175. 0733-892985To : 999 (All members) From : 4WL (Martin Wilson) Re : FOR SALE, WANTED For sale: BBC MASTER COMPACT BBC B WITH WATFORD DFS 1.43 MICROVITEC 3000 MEDIUM RESOLUTIONMONITOR FOR ARCHIMEDES 5.25" 40/80 BBC POWERED DRIVE ELECTRON WITH PLUS 1 5.25" BARE 40T S/S DRIVES (2) Wanted: ELITE FOR MASTER COMPACT PRINTHEAD FOR PANASONIC KXP1081PRINTER. JOYSTICK INTERFACE FOR A3000 ADVICE ON HOW TO MAKE MASTER 128 MORECOMPATIBLE WITH BBC B SOFTWARE WITHOUT USING HARDWARE, JUST SOFTWARE. WRITE/PHONE MARTIN WILSON, 32 GRASSROYAL, YEOVIL,SOMERSET, BA21 4JW. TEL. 0935 25974 Editor: see advice elsewhere aboutBASIC II and other things, also tryCONVERT ROMimage from Welcome disk. To : 999 (All members) From : 483 (Daniel Shimmin) Re : Help wanted, VAT Calculator Mr. J.R. Hay would like to know wherehe can obtain an Aries B-12 ROM boardfor his BBC B, and would also like anyinformation about the possibility ofgetting the Acorn Speech System to workwith INTER-BASE. He also suggests, with regard to StevenJohnson's VAT Calculator program, thatthe amount of VAT included in aninvoice/receipt can be easilycalculated by: X multiplied by 17.5 and divided by117.5, or X multiplied by 7 and dividedby 47, where X is the invoice/receipttotal. To : 0E7 and 999 From : 20G (Roy Dickens) Re : Hardly Any Comments in Issue 25 I certainly agree with 0E7 thatcomments are in short supply and thereshould be more. I think I would beright in saying that we all value 0E7'scontribution in every issue. As he says, he is a non-programmer, andI'm sure that programmers like to knowwhether their efforts are user friendlyetc. or not, from 0E7 and all the othernon- or nearly non-programmers. Looking at it the other way round,perhaps programmers could do a littlearticle about programming, or the bestway to start. Then there are probably programmers whocould spare another minute to helpother programmers to do it better,easier etc. It may dent their ego a bitbut at least it should spur them on tofurther improvement. I must add that it is, sometimes, veryhard to comment on some of the verygood programs that members submit otherthan just saying GOOD, EXCELLENT,MARVELLOUS, CAN'T BE IMPROVED etc. butof course that isn't the only commentthat is required. To : 0E7 and 999 From : 20G (Roy Dickens) Re : Cracker program Thanks for your comments. If you wouldlike to add to the list of gags youmust LIST the program and you will thensee the highlighted REMarks at the endwith the DATA. You just add your DATAetc. Or just delete one line of data(gag) and insert your own. To : 999 (All members) From : 27N (John Ilsley) Re : Comments on programs, etc. In the messages last issue, someonementioned about people not commentingon programs and such...Well, it wouldbe helpful if the new users to theBBC's and such would jot down a programor two that they would like done by theadvanced or experienced programmers.For example, last issue, there were afew database programs, including one Imade (which I hope now has a sortroutine), just because one user askedfor a specialised database. To : 999 From : 27N (John Ilsley) Re : Concord Comms bulletin board I have sent my modem away for repair,so hopefully Concord comms will beon-line at the beginning of next month.(Everyone please pray for me!).