A new section where members can airopinions, suggestions and ideas. From : 27N (John Ilsley) Subject: One liner competition Can I suggest two things. (1). You divide it into two catagories,the advanced programers, and the new toprograming programers (2). You have for a prize, 6mths freesubscription to 8BPD (saves them anamazing £3.00 in cost, But they stillpay postage), or a years free sub. Save£6.00. Just an idea. From : 27N (John Ilsley) Subject: Which computer? Arch, BBC B, Master or compact?.... Well, the BBC B is fine for most stuff,testing robots and external devices,great for ROM/RAM boards, up to 16sockets on ATPL boards that is the onlydisadvantage on the Master. The Master128 has everything except 128k ofmemory!. I can get 50k out of mine ifI'm in shadow and have the turboswitched on. I can't use the Turboboard if I'm running the BB, so it onlygets used to time things. It's amazinghow fast some things are, I did a lineprogram, it did 77 lines in 5 secondswithout the turbo, and 266 with it on.A big increase, but it didn't make anydifference if the cursor was on or off!From : 27N (John Ilsley) Subject: Content of 8BS issues Why don't you, if you want to savespace on the DFS disc, Arc the softwarewith a menu so the user just has tocopy a 50k compacted software file ontoanother disc then *BDARK it, then hehas a disc with a menu, and gameson it. Why not use stuff from the first 8BSissues if you have space. Users likemyself who joined on the 23rd issuehave missed out on the first stuff. From : 0E7 Subject: DFS or ADFS. I receive the magazine in 3.5 ADFSformat and find there are times whena programme will not run and an errormessage is received such as 'badcommand at line N0xxxx' I am leftwondering is the programme meant forDFS working only and being energeticlike us all I am then forced to makethe decision do I xsfer the programmefrom ADFS to DFS onto another disc andtry to run it or do I not bother as Ido not think it will be worth theeffort. What would you do or what doyou do? I think it is a pity becausesome gem could be missed. The obviousanswer seems to be that a) The magazine be split up into ADFS & DFS running programmes or b) What seems probably the easiest way would be for the authors to clearly indicate when their programmes are not universal. This may seem a trivial point toprogrammers who can instantly look at alisting to know the answer but tolesser mortals it is at least to merather annoying. How do the rest of themembers feel about this or am I a voicein the wilderness?. From : 0E7 Subject: SOLINET This is a good magazine. I obtained acopy of one of their discs and I wasvery impressed by it and as usual itwas way over my head covering not onlythe BEEB but the PC as well. I shallunfortunately not be taking up theiroffer of joining the club as I findlike 8BITPD there is a lot of TEXT onthe disc and I just do not have thetime to spend going through it all dueto little things like household chores,gardening and washing the car etc. From : 0E7 Subject: ADFS DIRECTORY DELETION Someone was asking for a programme tobe written in M/C to do in depthdirectory deletions in ADFS. I havesuch a programme in BASIC obtained fromACORN USER OCT 89 Page79/102 and wouldbe willing to supply a copy ifformatted disc / package / postage isforwarded. If I had a programme thatwould print out listings then a printout could be sent.Does anyone have sucha programme please? From : 0E7 Subject: MOS VERSION. I bought my computer just over twoyears ago. I have versions MOS 3.2 DFS2.24 ADFS 1.5 SRAM 1.04. I expect thesituation was such that these computerswere made some time ago and the friarsput in the only chips they had and putthe computers into cold storage untiltheir sell by date when we purchasedthem. When thay ran out of chips theysent round to the chipmuks for somemore and got the later issue. Obviouslywe should have waited until the nextfry up. From : 0E7 Subject: ARCHIMEDES DEBATE. I hope you dont mind me putting in mycomments but it would appear to me thatboth contestants have put forwardexcellent cases and I declare the bouta draw. I have however a strong affinity forPhilp Millers comments having arrivedat similar thoughts myself. As he sayswhen you ask yourself the question 'Asa business man which computer would youbuy?', the answer has got to be a PC.Sentiment has no place in business From : 0E7 Subject: HUMOUR. ELECTRICITY. What travels faster thanelectricity. Money on a visit to theshops. LUNCH. Was this a MacDonald or BurgerKing special. CALENDAR. I have seen similar beforeexcept it proved (I can't remember howbut I know it was a lie) that you onlyworked about one day a year. RECYCLE. A histerical reflection on thematter. This is not some new Technologicaldiscovery. It probably started whenCain kicked his ball over into Abelsgarden and asked for it back. This Isuppose is really conservation which isa more subtler sort of recycling as youhave not wasted it entirely in thefirst instance. I suppose in thisinstance it is really reclamation?. During the last war everything had tobe salvaged, recycled,reclaimed to helpin the war effort. A process a lot ofus are still suffering from. Every onehad to give all of their aluminium potsand pans to the salvage man so thatthey (The pots and pans not the salvagemen) could be melted down to makeaeroplanes.They also pinched all of theiron railings round the front gardens(Thus creating the modern idea of OPENPLAN) to smelt down and make tanks orso they claimed. Corporation dustcartshad three sacks hung on the back sothat the dustmen could collect salvagein the form of paper/cardboard,glass,metal and each was put into it'sallocated sack for the war effort. The outcome of these activities were amilitary secret and was kept as suchuntil well after the war was over whenthe following facts came to light: The Aluminium pots and pans were oflittle use as they were of suchimpurity that on smelting down thedross was so great that the object ofthe exercise was defeated. A similar situation was found with theiron railings. In fact after the war agreat heap of these artifacts werefound on a government dump and had beencompletely overlooked during thehoistilities. No doubt a similar situation existedwith the paper/cardboard salvage.However no heaps of these were everfound and it can only be presumed thatif they had existed they were easilysaid to be rubbish and shoved into thehole and covered over to form compost.It is rumoured that a certain JohnInnes invented this method of disposaland became a millionaire overnight. Infact this form of salvage/reyclingcarried on for a number of years afterthe war until: a). The council could not handle anymore. b). It was becoming too costly tocollect. c). It was becoming too costly toprocess and the financial returns werenil. d). The recyclers had run out of steamand could not recycle all that wasbeing collected/delivered. e). The effect of this was that themajority of citizens were up in armsand it was a nine day wonder with theresult that nothing was ever done aboutit. However a new PARTY started to makepolitical capital out of it.....moneyalways creeps into these things. Onceagain where there's muck there's brass.....on the bandwagon or should it bedustcart and great containers sprang upovernight at TESCOs etc to collect thewaste eagerly brought by the people asa gift to placate the MPs and so thegreat saga continues to this day. May I thank all of you who have stayedthe course up to this point and may Isay how very sorry I am to have tofinish this diatribe but before you gomay I leave you with the followingcomments: If the powers that be got it all wrongbefore, when we were fighting for ourvery existence, what makes you thinkthey can get it right when all peoplewant to do is save this hunk ofmaterial that we are all on whizzinground in space on. I leave you with this profound thoughtto ponder on. Assuming my THESIS iscorrect WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OURRUBBISH apart from being scatteredaround our city streets.? From : 0E7 Subject: TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS Has Technology stopped?. I do not think so but there is no doubtthat it will have slowed down due tothe recession/slump and general lack ofmoney and demand. I will leave you with this thought. It is generally stated that Technologymakes its greatest impact after a war.If this is so which war is waiting inthe wings ready to come onto stage? My apologies for all this text (ofwhich it is thought we get too much)which has really nothing to do withcomputing but at least it will helpfill the disc up. To say nothing of theenjoyment the Editor will have changingthe programmes.Apologies Daniel. From : 3WU (Fred Price) Subject: An old chestnut! My Way Of Cassette Re-inking By Fred Price In past issues I have noticed somemethods of Re-inking ribbons so let meexplain how I re-ink my ribbons for myPanasonic KX-P1081. First thing, use compatable ribbons asthey are more economic. To re-ink themI ignore the instructions which usuallysay "Remove Tab and put so many dropsin". If you do follow insructions do soat your peril as you will have a nicemess on your table. Put some paper on the table if you wantto. Then remove the top of the cassettewith a knife or screwdriver it's heldon by some little tags inside, somebreak but it's still ok to use. Inside you will find a round sponge,pour about six drops on it and put thecover back on. If you have a powerscrewdriver put a small bit in it, putit in the hole underneath and spin itthe correct way. This will re-ink yourribbon. If there is a little spring that youpop with a sharp point remember to pushit back before you use it as you willoverink your ribbon and when it startsto smudge the paper sling it out as itnow has a hole in it. You can use any sort of endorsing inkor some stamp pad ink but this is howI do it, it works and I have nevercleaned the head yet lucky old me! From : 3WU (Fred Price) Subject: Poetry. The Weapon ^^^^^^^^^^ What is the most powerful weapon of all? Is it the Bomb, Knife or Gun? No it is something quite small posessed by us all, It is a little thing known as the Tongue. It can cut like a Knife, It can make endless Strife, It can cause the whole world to go Wrong, It can ruin a Life, It can part man and Wife, It is a powerful weapon the Tongue. But if used the right Way, It can brighten each Day, It can comfort the old, And the Young, It can smooth a rough Path, It can bring forth a Laugh, It is a powerful weapon the Tongue. So please bear in mind, When this weapon you Use, A kind word is just like a Song, It's sweetness will linger, Blessing hearer and Singer, IT IS A POWERFUL WEAPON, THE TONGUE. From : 3SQ (Tim Parsons) Subject: BEEBUG I have just recieved the latest copy ofBEEBUG, the Boss man therein is sayingthat the BEEBUG mag is closing down intwelve months ! I dont know about you,but I think this is terrible news. CanWE somehow increase the membership ofBEEBUG to about turn the decline inmembership which is supposedlyresponsible for this news !! From : 3SQ (Tim Parsons) Subject: Various Following my comments in the previousissue, I have discovered that theFICOPY command in the Morley BoardControl Rom is just a BASIC program,easily adaptable for use without theRom Board fitted. Furthermore I have found the ACP 1770DFS Rom is NOT compatible with WEDouble Density Disc's, it is OK with WE62 file disc's. STL ADFS there is type commandincorparated in this chip, this withthe relevant STL DFS make a powerfulpair with a lot of extra commands. I thought about getting a ReplacementBattery for my Master recently, soliving quite close to Luton and WE Igot one. I was rather amazed that noone really knew how much it was, yousee it wasnt in their catalogue, sothey guessed at about `3.60 + VAT. So Ireckon I got a Bargain ?. WE Havent yet managed to find me a 3.50Master OS Rom yet ?. Does anybody out there have a VineMicros Rom Board (3 or 4) they wouldlike to sell! If not possible I wouldvery much like to know if they arestill available anywhere ? Also, ofcourse, are they any good ? I can honestly say that BBC PD is stillthriving. Any delay has been due tocatching up with compiling the newto PD Beebug Disc's, by the way BeebugVolume 5 needs two disc's (a slip up inthe catalogue).