I would like to clear up some of thedebris from issue 25. The bulk of the comments that I have sofar received concern a couple of myprograms. As I cannot claim they werenothing to do with me, which at thismoment seems the favourite option, Isuppose I shall have to make someinspired comments/excuses/explanations/apologies. (Delete inappropriate section/s) It must not pass this point withoutthanks to the members who offered theircomments on the programs. So - Thanksto the members who offered theircomments on the programs. Fireworks sound sample demo. Seems to fail on a couple of people'smachines. Try this: LOAD"firerun" GOTO 70 If this does not work, please let meknow. I hold my hands out to the problem withthe program not sussing out RAM banksproperly, future samples will hopefullyhave corrected this. Out comes themanual. Diving Database. Well fancy that! I forgot the errortrapping! My apologies. Try this: LOAD"Dbase" 145 ONERROR SA.FNS That should do it. I owe an apology to 0E7 who no doubtspent hours entering reams of data intothe database to discover that it wasn'tsuitable for his needs. I must have omitted to mention that,the maximum number of records thedatabase could handle would be about80, maybe a few more, maybe a few less.The reason for this is that all thedata is held in memory. I have now started writing disc baseddatabases. Catalogues OK. I take the point, the presentationwas rubbish. It was an experiment.There was no hard copy option, veryremiss of me. The presentation wasflat. Better luck next time. I hope thecontent was helpful though. To go back to the article for a second.Can anyone tell me where the ADFScatalogue is held if fitted to a BBC B?CPR test Yes! Sometimes the Question can havemore than one correct answer. There is one point in the program thatsprings to mind as an example: When I originally entered the data forthe program, it was my understandingthat after the initial approach andassessment of the patient, afterchecking the respirations to discoverAPNEA you give 4 inflations of thelungs. However, during the program developmentI attended an annual re-qualifingcourse. I discovered that new protocolshave us giving 2 inflations to startwith. I was now faced with the quandaryof leaving the program alone and beingstrictly incorrect, or amending it. IfI amended it, then "First Aider's" mayperceive my answer of 2 as beingincorrect. What's to do? I thought. Oh well, bothanswers will do. So there you go, youcan enter 2 or 4 as the answer to theinitial number of inflations. As to the point about harming patientswith the wrong treatment. I reckon thatif you are sure that the patient ispulseless and therefore not breathingeither, the worst thing that you can dois leave them alone! Before leaving the subject of CardioPulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) I wouldlike to remind everyone that the bestway to learn CPR or any other first aidis to contact your local Ambulanceservice, Red Cross or St Johns. Bouncing ball demo. If I had saved the screen data so thatit could have been *LOADed into memory(therefore being much quicker assuggested), then the program would havetaken up too much room on the disc. The ASCII article by Steven Flintham Sorry about the format Steven, for somereason I managed to get the un-editedversion on to the issue disc ratherthan the formatted one. As a result,the text looked a bit odd, with no wraparound. My fault. That brings me to this point: When editing an issue, space is an allimportant factor. 27N has suggestedcompacting the whole of the softwarecollection, therefore leaving more roomfor more software and the all importanttext. Going by comments received from othermembers, I think that the balance hasbeen struck. De-compacting can be areal pain. I say this having just spentthe morning de-compacting 7 DFS discsfrom 1 ADFS for the software pool. Some members may not bother withsoftware if it is in an archive, thiswould be a shame. Members are also at this very momentbeing asked if they would send 2 discsif it was considered necessary. Somaybe in future the DFS version wouldbe on 2 discs, DFS owners would thenget the same software as ADFS owners. Two points raised by issue 26: Text from other formats Daniel Shimmin mentioned about transferof text between computers via discs. If anyone has a disc of PD text fromANY other machine that they want to putinto ADFS or DFS format for the BBC andthe 8BS mag, send it to me, and I willgladly attempt to transfer it. Sum ov us ejucaytid pipple can spelsummert wikid an yoo lot out ther carntspel fer tofee an wen we se sumwone hoocarnt spel we larf and larf at it. But seriously, I dread spellingincorrectly incorectly. I apologise for anything speld bad. I glance at the well fingereddictionary balanced on top of my modemand make a self doubting grab for it. My daughter came home from school lastweek (OK OK I'm 37), and told me thatshe had taken a spelling test. She saidthat she had scored 93 out of 100. Verygood I said, what did you get wrongthen? She proceeded to tell me thatfirstly the teacher had told her thatshe had left the "e" out of mountainousand the "r" out of rather. So accordingto my daughter's teacher it's: I would rarther live in a mountaineous area. Humm.... Yes, Daniel Shimmin was correct aboutmy tolerance, I always thought that youcould spell disc and program eitherway, I prefer spelling them this way. Itry to leave people's text alone asmuch as possible, warts and all. The ADFS debate. Well, that caused a bit of a stiranyhow. A recent addition to mycollection of roms is ADFS utilities.This rom nullifies the complaints thatI had about ADFS. I deny anyassociation with the person thatwhinged on about ADFS being a load oftosh (even if it was me). Considered the benefits of HADFS? Any comments on HADFS? The PD systemwhich allows DFS users with SWR or anEPROM to have a similar system to ADFS.Have any of the BBC B users tried this format out? If there was enough interest, it maybe worth considering transferring theADFS version of the 8BS disc to HADFSfor users without ADFS. You need 16kof SWR to load the rom image, or therom can be blown onto an EPROM. Thesoftware is PD. Here is a bit of infofrom the info file by Mr Harston: The HADFS system will be familiar toanyone who is used to using ADFS orEconet. It is a full hierachial filingsystem (ie it has subdirectories). It is a ...method of sqeezing more than31 or 62 files onto a DFS disk. Notethat HADFS does not allow you to readADFS disks. To do this, you need ADFSas well as the 1770 FDC. HADFS is really happy using 80 trackdoubles sided drives, but you can alsouse single sided disks and 40 trackdisks. HADFS runs on the following machines: BBC, DFS 0.90 slight problems. BBC, DFS 1.20 Master, DFS 2.24 also with: Watford Rom/Ram board Aries-B32 sideways Ram 6502 second processor (BBC) Z80 second processor (BBC) Shadow screens are recognised on: Master computers Aries-B32 Watford 32k Ram card HADFS needs the Osword call &7Fprovided by Acorn DFSs to read andwrite to disks. Me again... Each HADFS formatted disc contains thesoftware needed to run the system. Soall you do is !BOOT up in DFS, the restis done for you. Anyone interested in following this up,please contact me. If you haven't gotthe necessary 16k of SWR fitted,several people offer an EPROM blowingservice. The software itself is all PD.If you just fancy a look at HADFS,contact me, and I will supply the fullsetup complete with very comprehensivemanuals and utilities. 10 point guide for computer wives or The first seven years are the worst. by Gillian Richardson. 1. Positioning of the computer. So that the occasional conversation canbe held it is advisable to place thecomputer desk in a highly visible placewhere an eye can be kept on him, ratherthan it being in the loft, bedroom or"computer room". Otherwise contact willbe totally lost with only theoccasional glimpse of a dishevelled,tired, smelly male with bloodshot eyesand sprouting bristles. Life started to improve after thecomputer desk was bought. Avoiding anynecessity to switch off whilst eating.Our computer used to be on the diningtable. Place the desk in a position where airwill circulate freely, next to the dooror opening window, to keep the roomfresh. 2. Conversing with computer husband. Persistence is advisable, because anyanswers to questions asked for instanceare extremely unreliable. Teaching the youngest child where BREAKis is always a good idea. Switching the power off is only to beundertaken as a very last resort asthis doesn't lead to any usefulconversation anyway. However it maymake you feel an awful lot better. 3. Going out. Unless you are going to a computershop, forget it. It must be appreciatedthat having got the person out into thewide world, he will not be able toconverse in a normally accepted mannerand will show severe withdrawalsymptoms. 4. House and garden. What garden? Maybe the wilderness.Short jobs can be undertaken whilstdiscs are formatting or being backedup. Decorating is definately out. 5. Holidays. Despite what he may say, it is notessential to take the computer withyou. Camping and caravanning (as longas there are no hitch up points on thesite) is a good idea. Try to avoidareas of the country where you know"computer friends" live. 6. Finances. No! The 100 discs are not essential andthere is no need to live on baked beansfor three weeks to be able to affordthem. Pay day is FRIDAY, not Wednesday.7. Educational software. There is no need for this as thechildren will never get to the computeranyway. EVEN if you have 2 computers ashe will invariably have both switchedon, backing up on one and running amandelbrot on the other. 8. Visitors. Only have them on the strictunderstanding that the computer isturned off. 9. The Telephone/bill. When he shows you the telephone billand complains that you have spent 10minutes chatting to your mother,highlight his calls to outer Mongoliafor three hours and add them up.Encourage him to take a job where hehas to leave the telephone free, thenunder no circumstances allow a secondtelephone line to be installed. If heuses a modem, talk to him whilst he isusing it. 10. Handling the programming. When he leaps up in the air and wailsthat he has just suffered a majordisaster/loss by overwriting a wholeevenings work, either make a run for itor explain to him gently that he is soclever that surely he made a backup ofit all somewhere. This appeals to hisvanity and diverts his grief for asecond to allow him to concentratecorrectly. He will now not be able toadmit that he was too stupid to ensurethat he regularly backed his work upbecause the same thing has happened somany times before Well, it amused my wife anyway. Here is the simplest answer to yourquestion as far (as I am concernedanyway). Place your copy of 8BS issue 23 in thedisc drive. Type: LOAD":2.basread" 590.l21:LDA#0:JSR&FFEE:DEX:DEX:BPLl20: LDA#0:JSR&FFEE Be very careful to enter this lineexactly. Note the lower case "l" in L20and l21 especially. This will list basic programs from discwithout printing the line numbers. UseCONTROL+B to send output to the printerbefore entering the file name to belisted. However, I have had a go at doing thejob in a different way, and havecome up with an assembler interruptprogram to remove line numbers when youlist a program. It has a lot of flawsreally, but nearly achieves the end! Two points of interest here: 1. I apologise for any confusion causedby myself issueing ID's to peoplewho I thought did not have them.ID's really do help the editors whenorganising an issue. 2. Please use your ID on allcommunications with me as well asDaniel. ID's make the job oforganising an issue about 5 milliontime more simple! (Slight overexaggeration here) The Quantities debate. Size doesn't matter so I am told,surely, the MOST important factor onthe 8BS disc should be quality, notquantity. When editing a disc, I justclap stuff on until it's full, it's assimple as that. If noboby sendsanything to me, then the disc fillsvery slowly. The point of thisparagraph is: Please keep yoursubmissions rolling in!. Even if youthink that it is not up to much! Letthe Editors decide. This is enough of the ramblings for theissue, thanks to your contributions, itwould seem that this issue is going tobe bursting with text! Bye for now.